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Pair 8030 with 5040a?

waxofsweden, muokattu 12 Vuodet sitten.

Pair 8030 with 5040a?

Youngling Viestejä: 1 Liittymispäivä: 17.1.2010 Viimeisimmät viestit
Hi, would it be a waste of money to pair my 8030:s with a 5040a sub? (Is it even possible?)

My setup lacks a bit of bass when mixing certain kind of music, but it would be kind of overkill for me to buy the 7050b since it's not really a big problem.
subfunk, muokattu 12 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Pair 8030 with 5040a?

Youngling Viestejä: 9 Liittymispäivä: 28.8.2009 Viimeisimmät viestit
oh, i would love to know that as well, if it would make sense to use that combination.
christophe-anet, muokattu 12 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Pair 8030 with 5040a?

Jedi Knight Viestejä: 188 Liittymispäivä: 23.3.2009 Viimeisimmät viestit
Hello,

Thanks for your posts. Here is a long answer to your short question.

The 5040A has been primarily designed to complement 6010A’s. Its use together with 8020B or 8030A is possible but will feature the following:

1. As the 5040A has less input gain than the 8020B / 8030A loudspeakers, there will be 10 dB difference in sensitivity between them which needs to be addressed by lowering the loudspeakers gain.

2. Because of this amplifier power difference, the 5040A will also have a lower maximum SPL capability of -3 dB or -6 dB relative to 8020B and 8030A, respectively.

3. 5040A phase adjustment when combined with 8020B / 8030A.
In most typical loudspeaker arrangement - subwoofer and main loudspeakers at approx. the same distance from the listening position - it is recommended to switch the 90 degree or 180 degree phase control ON in the 5040A subwoofer to ensure a smooth frequency response transition around the crossover area. The room geometry and the particular subwoofer placement in the room will affect that setting. So, please always go through the phase calibration procedure (detailed in our Quick Setup Guide http://www.genelec.com/documents/qsg/QSG_5040A.pdf) to make sure you have the correct phase setting in your system.

4. The frequency response of the complete system – 5040A together with 8020B / 8030A will display a slight change in the LF response behavior. A 3 - 4 dB bass lift will appear between 50 Hz and 100 Hz. This can be compensated by slightly lowering the subwoofer's gain.

Hope the above is helpful.
Best regards,
bufobufo, muokattu 11 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Pair 8030 with 5040a?

Youngling Viestejä: 1 Liittymispäivä: 19.10.2010 Viimeisimmät viestit
Just for those as unsure as I was.. I finally got myself a 5040A to complement my pair of 8030s, and the combination works great for me! I decided for the sub since I had to tilt the bass of the 8030s down by 2db due to near-wall resonances in a small room (approx. 11m²). The 8030s have a good but naturally not "sub" bass, anyways.

Volume-wise... what Christophe wrote was quite helpful. I needed to set the volume of the 8030 to half-position (as I always have, anyway) and the sub's volume poti to full (on the bottom of the sub), whereas I usually keep the desktop-volume control of the sub in half position or slightly above. This way and with -180° phase correction, the sub integrates perfectly into the 8030s' sound.. i love it :D.

I decided to use the desktop-volume control (which is a beauty, by the way) for the sub only, so I can turn the sub occasionally down independendly from the 8030s.. useful when working late night.

Power-wise... the 5040 is fine for rooms my size and surely double as well. The bigger 7050 would have been a waste or most likely even contra-productive in this limited space. So, from my point of view, no need to hesitate giving the 5040 a try ;)
bache, muokattu 10 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Pair 8030 with 5040a?

Youngling Viestejä: 2 Liittymispäivä: 4.5.2011 Viimeisimmät viestit
Hello! I have bought 5040A sub to complement my pair of 8020B speakers... What should be the starting volume ratio values compared my speakers and sub? Should I turn 5040 sub volume to max voulume, and my 8020 speaker volume pointing to 12 clock, like "bufobufo" wrote? I've also adjusted -180° phase correction to ON. I would like to know should I use -2db or -4 db tilt settings on this sub or not? I have my 5040a 10cm on my front wall same level than my 8020A speakers. (they are quite close to my front wall... same 10cm). I've used -2 bass tilt and roll-off settings on my 8020B speakers. Any tips are welcome :D
a-kohl, muokattu 10 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Pair 8030 with 5040a?

Youngling Viestejä: 1 Liittymispäivä: 27.1.2011 Viimeisimmät viestit
Any news for the 5051 subwoofer? This should fit perfectly with the 8030...
ilkka-rissanen, muokattu 10 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Pair 8030 with 5040a?

Yoda Viestejä: 2564 Liittymispäivä: 23.3.2009 Viimeisimmät viestit
Hello! I have bought 5040A sub to complement my pair of 8020B speakers... What should be the starting volume ratio values compared my speakers and sub? Should I turn 5040 sub volume to max voulume, and my 8020 speaker volume pointing to 12 clock, like "bufobufo" wrote? I've also adjusted -180° phase correction to ON. I would like to know should I use -2db or -4 db tilt settings on this sub or not? I have my 5040a 10cm on my front wall same level than my 8020A speakers. (they are quite close to my front wall... same 10cm). I've used -2 bass tilt and roll-off settings on my 8020B speakers. Any tips are welcome :D

Sorry that I haven't noticed your question before. Correct level adjustment for 8020B and 5040A is as you write except that the 5040A's volume should be adjusted to 9 o'clock instead of 12.

Correct bass tilt setting is quite difficult to say because it depends so much of the acoustics of your listening room. But if the speakers are that close to the front wall, - 2 dB tilt sounds good. The 85 Hz bass roll-off should NOT be engaged!
ilkka-rissanen, muokattu 10 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Pair 8030 with 5040a?

Yoda Viestejä: 2564 Liittymispäivä: 23.3.2009 Viimeisimmät viestit
Any news for the 5051 subwoofer? This should fit perfectly with the 8030...

Hey,

Yes it is a perfect match with the 8030A! The 5051A is already in production, but the first batch was sold instantly and currently we are waiting for more parts. It should be available again in February.
digigal, muokattu 10 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Pair 8030 with 5040a?

Youngling Viestejä: 11 Liittymispäivä: 11.1.2012 Viimeisimmät viestit
What is a 5040a subwoofer? I don't see it listed on the Genelec website or even in the [FAQ/News/Factory Announcements] section of this Forum?
ilkka-rissanen, muokattu 10 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Pair 8030 with 5040a?

Yoda Viestejä: 2564 Liittymispäivä: 23.3.2009 Viimeisimmät viestit
Do you mean 5051A? It is our new subwoofer, similar to the 5040A but more powerful having an 8" woofer and 150 W class D amplifier. Available very soon!
digigal, muokattu 10 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Pair 8030 with 5040a?

Youngling Viestejä: 11 Liittymispäivä: 11.1.2012 Viimeisimmät viestit
Yes, it was a typo I did mean 5051A. It was mentioned in one of your posts that it was already in production. Just don't see any info about it on the Genelec website or in the News/Factory Announcements section of this forum. So if this is now a third sub for the 8030A, how do you determine which one to pick?
seffs, muokattu 10 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Pair 8030 with 5040a?

Youngling Viestejä: 2 Liittymispäivä: 15.2.2012 Viimeisimmät viestit
HI, I am thinking of the same configuration 8030 whit 5040A. I tour and the 40lbs of an 7050b is too steep for my suitcase ;) do I need line balancers to hookup the sub to the 8030? are the imputs of the 8030 capable of unbalanced signal?
ilkka-rissanen, muokattu 10 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Pair 8030 with 5040a?

Yoda Viestejä: 2564 Liittymispäivä: 23.3.2009 Viimeisimmät viestit
Yes, it was a typo I did mean 5051A. It was mentioned in one of your posts that it was already in production. Just don't see any info about it on the Genelec website or in the News/Factory Announcements section of this forum. So if this is now a third sub for the 8030A, how do you determine which one to pick?

Hi,

We made a small production batch during late last year but all were sold instantly. The next batch will be available within a month. Info on the website and news will be added at the same time.

I think the aesthetics will play a major part when making a decision between the 5051A, 7050B and 7060B. Of course there are also performance differences which can be seen when the full specifications are published. Performance wise the 5051A is almost identical to the 7050B but the outlook is totally different.
ilkka-rissanen, muokattu 10 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Pair 8030 with 5040a?

Yoda Viestejä: 2564 Liittymispäivä: 23.3.2009 Viimeisimmät viestit
HI, I am thinking of the same configuration 8030 whit 5040A. I tour and the 40lbs of an 7050b is too steep for my suitcase ;) do I need line balancers to hookup the sub to the 8030? are the imputs of the 8030 capable of unbalanced signal?

By nature balanced inputs will accept also unbalanced signal so line balancers are not needed.

http://www.genelec.com/faq/applicable-t ... d-outputs/
johnhenrydale, muokattu 10 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Pair 8030 with 5040a?

Youngling Viestejä: 3 Liittymispäivä: 8.4.2012 Viimeisimmät viestit
Hi Ilkka,
Do you know when the 5051a will be available in the USA ?
Thanks,
JHD
ilkka-rissanen, muokattu 10 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Pair 8030 with 5040a?

Yoda Viestejä: 2564 Liittymispäivä: 23.3.2009 Viimeisimmät viestit
Hi Ilkka,
Do you know when the 5051a will be available in the USA ?
Thanks,
JHD

Hi John,

I am on it with our USA distributor! Should have a definitive answer very soon.
ilkka-rissanen, muokattu 10 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Pair 8030 with 5040a?

Yoda Viestejä: 2564 Liittymispäivä: 23.3.2009 Viimeisimmät viestit
Hi Ilkka,
Do you know when the 5051a will be available in the USA ?
Thanks,
JHD

Information from our US distributor tells that the 5051A will be available there in early June. The retail price will be announced soon.
daniloblm, muokattu 9 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Pair 8030 with 5040a?

Youngling Viestejä: 5 Liittymispäivä: 22.5.2012 Viimeisimmät viestit
Hello friends, I would know where to get a step by step to connect my 8030 monitors to my subwoofer 5040 ... this is my first set of studio.

I do not have experience and I'm picking to understand the manual that comes with the equipment.

Grateful!
ilkka-rissanen, muokattu 9 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Pair 8030 with 5040a?

Yoda Viestejä: 2564 Liittymispäivä: 23.3.2009 Viimeisimmät viestit
Hello friends, I would know where to get a step by step to connect my 8030 monitors to my subwoofer 5040 ... this is my first set of studio.

I do not have experience and I'm picking to understand the manual that comes with the equipment.

Grateful!

Hello,

have you already checked this: http://www.genelec.com/documents/qsg/QSG_5040A.pdf

If yes, in what part of the set up you are stuck at?
daniloblm, muokattu 9 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Pair 8030 with 5040a?

Youngling Viestejä: 5 Liittymispäivä: 22.5.2012 Viimeisimmät viestit
hi ikka, grateful for the quick response ... already looked at this PDF and also the PDF of the speakers and could not understand how to connect them ... is my first reference monitors and do not really know anything about it. My English is poor and my reading of the manual ends up getting confused. I'm talking to a salesperson about what would be the right cables and connectors for my system 8030a x 5040a, but he's making me even more confused. Would it be possible you point me what are the right cables and connectors for this connection? I would be grateful, because cables and connectors are very expensive and would not want to fail on the purchase.

Very Thanks!
daniloblm, muokattu 9 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Pair 8030 with 5040a?

Youngling Viestejä: 5 Liittymispäivä: 22.5.2012 Viimeisimmät viestit
hello ikka, the seller told me that is the set of cables and connectors that I have to buy (translate by Google, I am from Brazil):

"You will need a double cable 2 P10 (sound card) / 2 RCA (Subwoofer IN) and two individual cables RCA / XLR (male) to connect each monitor to the subwoofer."

Could you confirm me if these are the correct cables and connectors to connect the subwoofer 5040a on the 8030a speakers?

Thanks!
ilkka-rissanen, muokattu 9 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Pair 8030 with 5040a?

Yoda Viestejä: 2564 Liittymispäivä: 23.3.2009 Viimeisimmät viestit
Hello,

I am not sure what he means with a "P10" connector from the sound card? Usually sound cards have 3,5 mm (1/8") plug connectors. Otherwise the cables are correct.
daniloblm, muokattu 9 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Pair 8030 with 5040a?

Youngling Viestejä: 5 Liittymispäivä: 22.5.2012 Viimeisimmät viestit
The P10 connector: http://www.santoangelo.com.br/imagens/f ... 2-26_g.jpg


Thanks for the help!
ilkka-rissanen, muokattu 9 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Pair 8030 with 5040a?

Yoda Viestejä: 2564 Liittymispäivä: 23.3.2009 Viimeisimmät viestit
Ok, that is the big TRS connector (1/4"). If your sound card has that kind of connector (of course female version), then that's what you should get. :)
daniloblm, muokattu 9 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Pair 8030 with 5040a?

Youngling Viestejä: 5 Liittymispäivä: 22.5.2012 Viimeisimmät viestit
ok! thanks for the help!
bassonist, muokattu 9 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Pair 8030 with 5040a?

Youngling Viestejä: 1 Liittymispäivä: 18.7.2012 Viimeisimmät viestit
Any news for the 5051 subwoofer? This should fit perfectly with the 8030...


Hi.I have ordered two 8030 and two 5051.
I will use it as a three-way loudspeaker it means that the sub will be under the 8030.
I have already tried it, it is very good.
The sub in the center is not a good placement, it is lazy and fades the medium voices. This placement is more precise and faster, just it costs more but it is worth.
Regards, Tamas
100khz, muokattu 7 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Pair 8030 with 5040a?

Youngling Viestejä: 5 Liittymispäivä: 13.9.2014 Viimeisimmät viestit
I know this is an old topic, but since genelecs are for ages, i just made the same configuration today. 8030a with a 5040a sub.

Just wanted to post my config for any suggestions:

1.Connection: From my sound card, (presonus inspire), 2 RCA cables take signal to sub 5040a and from 5040a 2 RCA cables with a SLR connector on the other side connects both 8030a. So,basically the subwoofer controls the volume of 8030a via the volume controller.

2.Config: I have rolled off bass from 8030a. Is this right? since it was advised to do so in the manual of 8030a. Please suggest?

3. Placement: I have placed the sub woofer in the middle of both the front speakers (but towards wall) and under 24 inches from front wall. But woofer is about 10 inches away from front wall. So i did a 180 degree phase shift ON. Is this right?

4. Volumes: Woofer volume is less than 9 o clock, slightly less and 8030A volume is at 12 o clock.

5. Listening Position: I sit at about an equilateral triangle from both 8030A. My room is treated but small. 13 feet(L) by 9 feet (B) by 8 feet(H). But its treated i guess properly but NO back wall diffusers.

6. 8030As are approx 3 feet from front wall. And i sit 4 feet from backwall.

Well, any suggestions guys? Also, i do ad films and background scores for short movies etc, should i stick to 2.0 config of 8030a without sub or the woofer 5040a (which i own actually) will be really good to add to this config?

Too many questions I guess. Any help would be great. thanks