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Equipment and setup advice

stiff-lol, muokattu 13 Vuodet sitten.

Equipment and setup advice

Youngling Viestejä: 4 Liittymispäivä: 30.4.2009 Viimeisimmät viestit
Hello,

I'm a Genelec fan and also an absolute AV noob. I've recently bought a pair of 6020s which are just way better than anything else I've ever had. However, I'd like some help choosing some other equipment that will help complement the setup I am trying to achieve.

Ideally, I'd like to have surround sound (4.1? 5.1?) which I will use mainly for video games and secondly for movies and listening to music which I do about equally. I've heard so much advice from so many different sources that my head is spinning. I just want something that helps do justice to the Genelecs, that won't blow my head off in terms of expense, and something I can adjust the volume of all speakers together! ;) I don't have a hard and fast budget, I'd prefer to get something that will last a long time, but it would be great to see a couple of options.

So I was thinking that I could buy a set of 6010a Genelecs as my rears (another pair of 6020s is a bit too much of a hit on the wallet), and after that add the 5040 sub. Does this sound right? Is anyone screaming NO! at the monitor? I have not bought them yet, I am open to suggestions. One person told me the 5040 sub would be pointless with the 6020s, another said it would still add enough to make it worthwhile.

Also, I would like to know what the best/most appropriate solution is for sending the music/sound to the Genelecs. Again, some people have told me "You need a pre amp", others "You need an AV amp with pre outs", and so on. I'm certainly open to looking for something second hand. Currently I have a bottom of the line Yamaha AV amp. Will I need to get rid of that and replace it with something better? I'm just not really sure what I should be looking for.

Currently, my TV has enough inputs and good enough scaling that I don't really need an amp which handles upscaling particularly well, sound is more the priority.

Can anyone help?
genactive, muokattu 13 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Equipment and setup advice

Youngling Viestejä: 5 Liittymispäivä: 1.4.2009 Viimeisimmät viestit
Take a look at Emotiva or Outlaw audio for a really good pre-pro at a very affordable price. I currently own a Bryston SP1.7 which is wonderful but I might sell it & buy the Emotive so I can afford another Gen 8050 for a centre to match the pair I already own. Even though many surround sound recievers have pre outs, the better way is a dedicated preamp. What makes Outlaw & Emotiva attractive is that they are available internet direct only "low cost,no middle man". Most seem to put it on par with Integra ,Rotel B&K. Some are even comparing it to Anthem as well. My advise is to spend all of your money on Genelec & beg steal borrow what you can to hook them up.

Marc
stiff-lol, muokattu 13 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Equipment and setup advice

Youngling Viestejä: 4 Liittymispäivä: 30.4.2009 Viimeisimmät viestit
So I'm probably best off ditching my current Yamaha and getting a pre/pro (is this the right term?), which looks like a receiver, doesn't have any amplifiers inside, but processes the sound much better than a similarly priced all in one AV receiver? Have I got that right?

Now, another question I have is the difference between XLR and RCA. If we assume my longest cable would be 7m, is it going to be worth running XLRs instead of RCAs? Presumably the XLR cables are thicker and more expensive, but would there be a noticeable jump in quality, or is it more to protect the signals from interference?

Finally, I'd like to know some things from the Genelec guys if it's ok?

Would it be acceptable/recommended to have 6010s as my rears, considering I have 6020s as my fronts. Would only be using these rear channels during movies and games I imagine.

Will the 5040 sub fit with this system?

And very finally the stupidest question of all, using a pre/pro, with all the Genelecs going into that, it's possible to turn the volume of all the speakers up and down using the pre/pro's remote?
dupe, muokattu 13 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Equipment and setup advice

Youngling Viestejä: 14 Liittymispäivä: 8.5.2009 Viimeisimmät viestit
So I'm probably best off ditching my current Yamaha and getting a pre/pro (is this the right term?), which looks like a receiver, doesn't have any amplifiers inside, but processes the sound much better than a similarly priced all in one AV receiver? Have I got that right?


The best option is to use a designated pre amplifier often referred to as a processor in AV land, one thing you will notice on your search for such a device is that they start at a much higher price that receivers which contain processor and amplifiers in the same box. One new processor at a reasonable cost point is the new Onkyo one and can be had for around £1300.

Now, another question I have is the difference between XLR and RCA. If we assume my longest cable would be 7m, is it going to be worth running XLRs instead of RCAs? Presumably the XLR cables are thicker and more expensive, but would there be a noticeable jump in quality, or is it more to protect the signals from interference?


The difference is mainly in the interference rejection; on a 7m run using reasonable quality cable in a domestic environment you are unlikely to get issues. However, it is generally considered that if a manufacture such as Onkyo/ADA/Lexicon put XLR outputs on a product then the chances are they will provide a better quality output as they will have spent decent money on the electronics in this area. The price difference between unbalanced and balanced cables is so small that I would go balanced; any decent microphone cable from someone like Canford.co.uk will do fine.

Finally, I'd like to know some things from the Genelec guys if it's ok?

Would it be acceptable/recommended to have 6010s as my rears, considering I have 6020s as my fronts. Would only be using these rear channels during movies and games I imagine.


Yes, this is sensible as for most people you sit closer to the rears than the fronts and you will need less sound level. All Genelecs are ‘voiced’ to sound very similar to enable mixing and matching of loudspeakers in the same system, this is one of the benifits of the brand.

Will the 5040 sub fit with this system?


No, the 5050 will be needed to provide a similar SPL to the 6020s you have up front.

And very finally the stupidest question of all, using a pre/pro, with all the Genelecs going into that, it's possible to turn the volume of all the speakers up and down using the pre/pro's remote?


Yes, the processor will control the levels going to the Genelecs so just leave them turned up to full and use your remote.

Dupe...
stiff-lol, muokattu 13 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Equipment and setup advice

Youngling Viestejä: 4 Liittymispäivä: 30.4.2009 Viimeisimmät viestit
Man, that is the most helpful post I think I've ever read. Seriously, thank you very very much.

Brilliant.
dupe, muokattu 13 Vuodet sitten.

Re: Equipment and setup advice

Youngling Viestejä: 14 Liittymispäivä: 8.5.2009 Viimeisimmät viestit
No problem, glad to help.

Dupe...