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Genelec Ones at Extended Listening Distances?

ferrstein, modified 1 Year ago.

Genelec Ones at Extended Listening Distances?

Youngling Posts: 3 Join Date: 8/31/21 Recent Posts

Hello!  This is my first post but I've been reading quite a few threads here.  I'm hoping to get some insight on speaker selection for a dedicated home stereo listening room.  I am trying to decide between a set of ones versus 2-way speakers using GLM and a possible sub integration.  I'm specifically looking at the 8340/50 and 8341/51.  Depending on which I choose I may go with a 7360 or 7370 sub (or subs) as well.  I could position the sub symmetrically between the speakers as I have no other equipment in that end of the room, or I could place a sub behind each speaker if that's a better solution.

A bit about the room: Length 17 feet / 5.2 meters, Width 11 feet / 3.4 meters, Height 7.5 feet / 2.3 meters.  Floor area 187 sq feet / 17.4 sq meters.  Room volume 1403 cu feet / 39.7 cu meters. 

Here's the weird part:  The speakers will need to be about 3 feet away from one of the short walls on one end of the room (along the short 11 ft / 3.4 M wall), plus or minus about a foot.  The listening position is close to the other short wall, with my ears only about 2' away, again plus or minus about a foot.  This means I have a listening distance of about 12 feet / 3.7 meters.  Because of this long listening distance I am in the yellow portion of the "Direct Sound Dominance" chart.  I'm sure this is the case with any speaker I place in there but the chart might be steering me towards a bigger speaker than I need.  In fact because of that chart I was also looking at the 8361 but that seems quite overkill for this space.

More about the room:  It is very symmetric and has quite a bit of sound damping.  Mostly Owens fiberglass panels.  At the moment the wall behind the speakers is live and the listening side of the room is dead.  Suspended wood floor, thick plaster walls. 

My specific starting questions are:

1. At a long listening distance, are the benefits of the coaxial arrangement of the Ones realized?  Will the conventional 8340/50 be as coherent at a long listening distance as the Ones would be?  

2. Would I be better erring towards a smaller speaker and getting a sub or subs, or would I be better trying to get just two speakers that wouldn't need a sub?

My listening is mostly folk, rock, and pop.  I do like bass but music I listen to typically doesn't have much extreme LF extension.  Still, I like to have a nice impactful low bass.  I have heard the 8050s in a small room and thought they were fantastic even without a sub but I'm interested in DSP so I'll be steering towards the 83xx series speakers.

Thanks in advance - I truly appreciate any guidance I get get here.  Cheers!

 

 

lukester, modified 1 Year ago.

RE: Genelec Ones at Extended Listening Distances?

Jedi Master Posts: 296 Join Date: 4/22/10 Recent Posts

1. No, the Ones can't realize their benefits on long listening distances. They will be 10% better than 8340&50 while costing twice as much, I think it's not worth it.
2. I'd go for bigger speakers w/o subs, it's simpler if you don't need to open the can of worms that is subwoofer placement, but either way is fine really.

3. The problem: the best speakers for your setup are out of production, can only be had used.
My higly cecommended list for your room size: 8620, 1037, 1038

4. Cheers to you too.
 

ferrstein, modified 1 Year ago.

RE: Genelec Ones at Extended Listening Distances?

Youngling Posts: 3 Join Date: 8/31/21 Recent Posts
lukester:

1. No, the Ones can't realize their benefits on long listening distances. They will be 10% better than 8340&50 while costing twice as much, I think it's not worth it.
2. I'd go for bigger speakers w/o subs, it's simpler if you don't need to open the can of worms that is subwoofer placement, but either way is fine really.

3. The problem: the best speakers for your setup are out of production, can only be had used.
My higly cecommended list for your room size: 8620, 1037, 1038

4. Cheers to you too.
 

 

Thanks for your insight!  Agreed on the subs in general.  I do have room for them and some placement flexibility but I'd rather sidestep that option if possible.

I've looked at 8260s a few times and I'm still considering them.  I'll check out the 1027 and 1038.  They were not on my radar.

Thanks Again!

 

 

 

costakis, modified 1 Year ago.

RE: Genelec Ones at Extended Listening Distances?

Padawan Posts: 76 Join Date: 2/13/19 Recent Posts

You can use REW https://www.roomeqwizard.com/ to simulate your room. Then, you can read the instructions for speakers placement from Genelec. In this way, you can figure out what to expect. 

Since the listening distance is long enough, I would reccomend the largest speakers you can get, so the 8351s are thoeretically the best, if you can afford them. On the other hand they will only give you 1 db more and a (little, but in audio little improvements require lot of money :0 ) better response so the 8350s are a very reasonable & promising choice. Please check their specifications, as given by Genelec. I would also reccomend 2 7350s (or 2 7360s if you can afford them). 2 subs are always better than one and they will give you the chance to correct many of the problems generated by the room & speaker placement.   

GLM will do a lot concerning the peaks, but not the dips that innevitably depend on room geometry and speaker placement :) 

ferrstein, modified 1 Year ago.

RE: Genelec Ones at Extended Listening Distances?

Youngling Posts: 3 Join Date: 8/31/21 Recent Posts
costakis:

You can use REW https://www.roomeqwizard.com/ to simulate your room. Then, you can read the instructions for speakers placement from Genelec. In this way, you can figure out what to expect. 

Since the listening distance is long enough, I would reccomend the largest speakers you can get, so the 8351s are thoeretically the best, if you can afford them. On the other hand they will only give you 1 db more and a (little, but in audio little improvements require lot of money :0 ) better response so the 8350s are a very reasonable & promising choice. Please check their specifications, as given by Genelec. I would also reccomend 2 7350s (or 2 7360s if you can afford them). 2 subs are always better than one and they will give you the chance to correct many of the problems generated by the room & speaker placement.   

GLM will do a lot concerning the peaks, but not the dips that innevitably depend on room geometry and speaker placement :) 

 

Thanks!  Agreed on the dual subs.  I've always had better luck with this in my HT setup.  Even though I want to avoid subs the 8350 price point would open the door for a pair of 7360s within my budget.  I think that system would really boogie!

As for GLM... I've not used it but I have used Dirac Live.  I'm sold on DSP!