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Genelec Launches 8430 IP Network Compatible SAM™ Monitor

ilkka-rissanen, modified 6 Years ago.

Genelec Launches 8430 IP Network Compatible SAM™ Monitor

Yoda Posts: 2564 Join Date: 3/23/09 Recent Posts
A Giant Step in Audio over IP: Genelec Launches 8430 IP Network Compatible SAM™ Studio Monitor

Six years ago at ISE 2010, Genelec demonstrated its first audio-over-IP showcase system. The showcase was selected as one of the ‘Picks of ISE 2010’ as it was recognised as among the best new innovations presented at the show. Since then, extensive research and development has been made and also much has happened in establishing more mature standards for audio-over-IP. This work has been actively pursued in several forums, but in particular the AES67 standard on audio-over-IP interoperability, published in 2015, is now fast gaining acceptance and is rapidly establishing audio-over-IP in the mainstream.

As such, the 8430 is the culmination of many years of intense research and development into AoIP by Genelec, and the company believes that the time is now right to launch this advanced solution: “At Genelec we believe that audio-over-IP networking, using systems fully compatible with open and global standards, is the right, reliable and robust way to address the future needs of the audio market. By launching 8430 we are a significant step closer to this reality” says Siamäk Naghian, Managing Director of Genelec. “With the technological progress that has been made in the field and the serious involvements with AoIP by broadcasters and other customers, we feel there is potential for a well-engineered monitor to provide both convenience and high performance benefits that IP networks can deliver. We think that the 8430 is exactly that monitor and I anticipate an enthusiastic reception of the product amongst the audio community. Audio over IP is no longer the future of monitoring, it is here now.”

The 8430 combines exceptional connectivity options. First using an AES67 signal, the AoIP industry standard, via the XLR-housed RJ45 connector, and second, using a standard analogue signal via a balanced XLR connector. As part of Genelec SAM Series, the 8430 shares identical electro-acoustic features such as Genelec MDE™ and DCW™ technologies, a flow optimized reflex port, very low distortion, high SPL and wide uncoloured response in a very compact enclosure - all this achieves the most accurate sound reproduction possible.

Also, as member of the SAM Series, the 8430 uses the highly intuitive Genelec Loudspeaker Manager (GLM™ 2.0) control network and software which allows adjustments of all aspects of monitor settings and full system control. As a central part of GLM, Genelec AutoCal™ automatically ensures every monitor on the network is aligned for level, timing, as well as compensation of room response anomalies.

An industry first, the 8430 is set to become an indispensable tool in IP networked audio systems in music studios, post-production houses, digital edit suites, radio, TV and outside broadcasting applications.

Visit Genelec Stand 3-A124 at ISE 2016 to get an exclusive preview of the product.

http://www.genelec.com/studio-monitors/ ... io-monitor
http://www.genelec.com/sites/default/fi ... ochure.pdf


Nobody, modified 6 Years ago.

Re: Genelec Launches 8430 IP Network Compatible SAM™ Monitor

Youngling Posts: 11 Join Date: 1/4/11 Recent Posts
Hi, would this work in a network with a wireless sender (any recent MacBook for instance)? Or would it need PTP protocol support for the wireless network? I would love to have audio transmitted wirelessly with a decent latency. If wired is the only option currently, then Thunderbolt-GbE adapter is the way to go.

Also the availability for these seems to be pretty low. I (well, google actually) couldn't find any reseller in Finland.

And how are the connections to be made with existing genelec subs?

Thanks
ilkka-rissanen, modified 6 Years ago.

Re: Genelec Launches 8430 IP Network Compatible SAM™ Monitor

Yoda Posts: 2564 Join Date: 3/23/09 Recent Posts
Hello,

Thank you for your enquiry and interest. As of now, we have only sold these models to special projects through selected distributors, there is no online sales at all. I have passed on your enquiry to our management.

At the moment there is no compatible IP subwoofer available.
Nobody, modified 6 Years ago.

Re: Genelec Launches 8430 IP Network Compatible SAM™ Monitor

Youngling Posts: 11 Join Date: 1/4/11 Recent Posts
Congratulations for the NAMM TEC award! I hope that will help to convince the marketing department to make these more widely available ;)
ilkka-rissanen, modified 6 Years ago.

Re: Genelec Launches 8430 IP Network Compatible SAM™ Monitor

Yoda Posts: 2564 Join Date: 3/23/09 Recent Posts
Thank you, we are extremely proud an honoured by this recognition. :)

http://www.live-production.tv/news/prod ... llence-and
campus, modified 6 Years ago.

Re: Genelec Launches 8430 IP Network Compatible SAM™ Monitor

Youngling Posts: 12 Join Date: 9/19/14 Recent Posts
I see that there are two RJ45 connectors for GLM control network.
1) Is it possible to send GLM control signals through the same ethernet connector used for audio (etherCON compatible)? In this way the speaker will require only power cable and one ethernet cable and that's all. Ethernet 100 Mbps for sure has more than enough band to convey all these signals but GLM box must use ethernet to connect to PC and speakers. Or you can avoid the use of an hardware GLM box using a USB measurement microphone (e.g. Minidsp UMIK-1) by modifying the software.
2) For audio are you using 10/100 Mbps ethernet interface or 10/100/1000 Mbps?
3) Which windows software can send audio to the speakers? Scheme: PC and GLM box->switch/router->8430A
4) There will be differences on audio quality (apart from latency) with respect to AES/EBU connections?
ilkka-rissanen, modified 6 Years ago.

Re: Genelec Launches 8430 IP Network Compatible SAM™ Monitor

Yoda Posts: 2564 Join Date: 3/23/09 Recent Posts
Hi,

(1) The GLM control network is separate from the Ethernet network. They do not operate in the same network.

(2) The IP interface for audio input operates at the maximum speed of 100 Mbps. Usually all switch devices automatically negotiate the speed to the end device and conform to this data rate without any problem to the rest of the network.

(3) There are several Windows virtual sound card software that can transmit audio directly from the PC to the loudspeakers. For example, Lawo virtual sound card. However, these high quality sound card software are not entirely free although they are very low cost.

(4) From practical point of view, in terms of the audio quality, both AES/EBU and audio-over-IP are of very high quality when they have been correctly implemented. The 8430 regenerates an extremely stable local clock for audio, and this also improves the real quality the user can enjoy. Theoretically, the audio-over-IP method of connecting is much more versatile: there are no fundamental limitations to the sample rate, word length, audio sample encoding format, number of channels on the network; also different types of audio signals can easily coexist on the same network. This makes the audio-over-IP probably a long term winner.
layer, modified 6 Years ago.

Re: Genelec Launches 8430 IP Network Compatible SAM™ Monitor

Youngling Posts: 1 Join Date: 9/9/12 Recent Posts
Great news from genelec as a form of 8430a AoIP speaker! These are no doubt generally targeted for pro-market perhaps in multispeaker environment, but I became very interested of using them in itself ordinary (and minimalistic) home stereo setup.

What would in practice be a minimum amount of suitable hardware needed for stereo listening, presuming PC with suitable ethernet-connection being already available? You would need 2x 8430 + GLM + good quality ethernet switch + something to provide PTP clock for the local network:

- PTP supporting switches are out of price range in practice, so managed QoS supporting switch with fast cpu would probably do, since no traffic other than AoIP and PTP syncing need to be connected at all. For instance Dell PowerConnect 2808. Affordable, managed, fast, and with QoS.

-Cabling can be normal Cat5e or Cat6, STP if you like the idea better.

- PTP clock source remains the only only question? Most affordable and yet reasonable quality I have seen is Raspberry pi + suitable linux sw: http://www.academia.edu/10312557/DEVELO ... TP_AND_GPS
Downside is building it up manually as DIY, so any idea for the ready made solution?

Since I don't have a good quality balanced audio source for the setup, all mentioned above is about the same in price as would be 8330a + quality usb-to-AES3 converter. With the advantage that DA-converter clock is 8430a internal and therefore probably flawless in quality compared to anything transferred over the (relatively long) cable run.

EDIT: bad information on Rpi capability on PTP time stamping. Rpi has a usb-connected NIC which does not do hardware time stamping, and so has a very large jitter in packet timing. Only suitable as NTP server as actually stated in document I linked earlier. Sorry for this.

Proper way to do is to have intel I350 -series NIC and use linux/freebsd router SW with PTPd2. Tried that in virtualbox and it seems to work. Only need HW anymore. :)
arydigital, modified 5 Years ago.

RE: Re: Genelec Launches 8430 IP Network Compatible SAM™ Monitor

Youngling Posts: 1 Join Date: 11/24/17 Recent Posts
Hi, would this work in a network with a wireless sender (any recent MacBook for instance)? Or would it need PTP protocol support for the wireless network? I would love to have audio transmitted wirelessly with a decent latency. If wired is the only option currently, Badnaam then Thunderbolt-GbE adapter is the way to go.