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Genelec 8260a vs 1038b

cloak, modified 9 Years ago.

Genelec 8260a vs 1038b

Youngling Posts: 6 Join Date: 8/30/12 Recent Posts
I am currently in the market to purchase a new pair of monitors solely for listening pleasure(no mixing or mastering).
I need to know which of the two would be a better choice for listening to music. Also which of the two will go down lower in terms of sub bass?(I would assume that the 1038b will go down much lower since its a 400w 15 inch woofer vs 150w 10inch) which would have better stereo imaging? and which is smoother(ear fatigue)?
1038, modified 9 Years ago.

Re: Genelec 8260a vs 1038b

Jedi Master Posts: 340 Join Date: 4/6/09 Recent Posts
Hi Cloak,

i am a Genelec Product Specialist in Australia, i spend my working hours consulting and demonstrating the Genelec range. I own 1038A's, basically the same as 1038B's. Your question is something i considered after the 8260's were released.

The 2 speakers are very different and i think the way you listen and the size of your room will guide you to one over the other. I have an acre of land and no neighbours, i also like to listen LOUD occasionally, for me now after owning the 1038's for 7 years i could only see myself buying bigger Genelecs. There is a sense of scale that only a large speaker can provide, it is this that compels me to the 38's.

The 8260's will play deeper bass, i usually get flat down to 18Hz in room for most of the installs i have worked on. The DSP also provides a stunning insight into what is actually going on in the lower octaves by cleaning up the LF extremely well. The 8260's also have an immense scale to the sound, but the bigger 38 edges it out, logically the 8260's are extremely hard to beat, they image beautifully due to the co-axial mid/tweeter, and with the DSP as a tool you can integrate them into your room much better than the 38's.

It is a difficult choice you have to make, but one i suspect many would love to have...

In summary, the 8260 will have lower LF and better imaging, in regards to ear fatigue, i have never suffered from it with Genelec, and i spend many hours at trade shows and demonstrations listening for many hours. I do believe it is critical to calibrate the speaker correctly though, the room has the biggest effect on perceived sound quality and tonal balance, it is here that the Smart Monitors win hands down..

I simply connect with the 38's, they convey beautiful delicacy when required, but have a visceral attack that only big speakers are capable of... I gave myself the luxury of not searching any more once i bought the 38's. I can take 8260's home any time i want and compare, yet i have not. The 38's do more than i could ask, so now i focus on listening to music not equipment..

I hope i have provided a little help, good luck, both are stunning monitors..
digipete, modified 9 Years ago.

Re: Genelec 8260a vs 1038b

Padawan Posts: 99 Join Date: 6/18/11 Recent Posts
Hi Cloak,

The imaging of the 8260 is simply exceptional, you should have a listen.
I am also biased, as I have chosen 8260 over much more expensive high-end speakers.
I am also in for the listening only.

I would personally not consider 1038B over the 8260's unless the listening position is 4 - 5m away from the speakers.

I have a 7271a 2 x 12" sub, yet I see no need to use it with the 8260's.
The sub is only in use for rear and LFE channels.

Anyway, great speakers both :D
cloak, modified 9 Years ago.

Re: Genelec 8260a vs 1038b

Youngling Posts: 6 Join Date: 8/30/12 Recent Posts
Thanks for the replies, Another question I had was... which have better midrange clarity?, tighter bass? and also the 8260 will have more DEPTH then 1038s?
cloak, modified 9 Years ago.

Re: Genelec 8260a vs 1038b

Youngling Posts: 6 Join Date: 8/30/12 Recent Posts
1038, i know you emphasized on capabilities of how loud the 1038s can be. But i won't be listening at loud volume at all. If I am just buying it for normal listening levels which would provide me with better sound qualities and enjoyment?
1038, modified 9 Years ago.

Re: Genelec 8260a vs 1038b

Jedi Master Posts: 340 Join Date: 4/6/09 Recent Posts
Hi Cloak,

I think the 8260's win on all accounts other than scale, as i said in my first post i have a large room and the 1038's from the moment they were calibrated exceeded my wildest expectations.

The reason why i have not taken any 8260's home is that i fear they will seduce me....

The 8260's are exceptional, and if you don't have a massive room they will blow you away with what they do, the room correction will let you hear more of the recording without a doubt.

Like DigiPete has said there is no need for a sub, they really are a high-end audiophile bargain...
cloak, modified 9 Years ago.

Re: Genelec 8260a vs 1038b

Youngling Posts: 6 Join Date: 8/30/12 Recent Posts
Thanks for the info 1038 and Digipete.

Digipete, Have you compared the 8260a with any of the ATC 3 way monitors? or BW 3 ways? if so how did they compared?
johny, modified 8 Years ago.

Re: Genelec 8260a vs 1038b

Youngling Posts: 2 Join Date: 2/12/13 Recent Posts
cloak, which model did you end up getting?
johny, modified 8 Years ago.

Re: Genelec 8260a vs 1038b

Youngling Posts: 2 Join Date: 2/12/13 Recent Posts
DigitPete and 1038, do you guys have pics of your system setup to share with other interested people here?
1038, modified 8 Years ago.

Re: Genelec 8260a vs 1038b

Jedi Master Posts: 340 Join Date: 4/6/09 Recent Posts
Hi Johny,

No pics sorry, my 1038's are sitting either side of my television, my room is split level so the backs of the about 4 mtrs away from the first real wall behind them. The room is open plan so the speakers have a fair amount of free space around them.

I am starting to do a little renovation at home, so i'm not sure where they'll end up once it is finished, but the key to great performance is about attention to detail and calibration. Virtually all the installs that i consult on, i place the speakers close to the wall behind them and get them up... as high as possible from the floor, all the required reading about speaker setup is available on Genelec's web site.
cloak, modified 8 Years ago.

Re: Genelec 8260a vs 1038b

Youngling Posts: 6 Join Date: 8/30/12 Recent Posts
I end up getting the 8260a. I feel it has one of the fastest/tightest bass response I've ever heard. too bad i wasn't able to get a demo for 1038b
1038, modified 8 Years ago.

Re: Genelec 8260a vs 1038b

Jedi Master Posts: 340 Join Date: 4/6/09 Recent Posts
Congrats Cloak,

I'm sure you will enjoy them for many years to come....
maximilian, modified 8 Years ago.

Re: Genelec 8260a vs 1038b

Youngling Posts: 12 Join Date: 4/13/13 Recent Posts
Hello team, one small question regarding the free-field response of 8260a.

In the pdf "Genelec_DSP_Monitoring_Systems", page 17, it looks like as if there is a full 2db boost at 15khz. Something I would want to manually adjust in GLM. Lots of Hi-hat work and white noise effects in this area.

However, in the pdf "DS8260A", page 7, the same area looks like nice and even, at best a mild boost of around .5db at around 16khz and 18khz, which would be of no relevance.

I understand that both graphs are at a different scale, but they still seem different.

As the GLM calibration mic is not even covering this frequency range, I assume this would be hard to check. Any thoughts?

Bonus question: Will the spike at 35khz drive all dogs in the neighbourhood crazy? ;)

Thanks
1038, modified 8 Years ago.

Re: Genelec 8260a vs 1038b

Jedi Master Posts: 340 Join Date: 4/6/09 Recent Posts
Hi Ulrich,

I have never observed this in any room measurements i have done, and to be honest i don't think there will be that much content up there, then again my last rough hearing check with a tone generator had my hearing topping out at 14khz, it's terrible getting old!!
popdv, modified 8 Years ago.

Re: Genelec 8260a vs 1038b

Padawan Posts: 32 Join Date: 6/26/11 Recent Posts
I'm building home theatre 5.1
the room are 21-22m2 (5.2x4,2mx3,2m) sound and acoustic proof
How you can compare for main channels 8260 vs 1238CF
so two variants I have:
1. 1238СА (L,C,R) + 8250 (Sur) + 7271A (sub)
2. 8260 (L,C,R) + 8250 (Sur) + 7271A (sub)
maximilian, modified 8 Years ago.

Re: Genelec 8260a vs 1038b

Youngling Posts: 12 Join Date: 4/13/13 Recent Posts
Steve,
you make me laugh! I could have given you that hearing test too, by manually sine wave sweeping in Operator. I might have lied to you though with the results to make you feel better ;).

PopDV,
the 8260a's are close to unbeatable, specs alone but I'd go for a test listen.
1038, modified 8 Years ago.

Re: Genelec 8260a vs 1038b

Jedi Master Posts: 340 Join Date: 4/6/09 Recent Posts
Hi Pop,

what size and type of screen are you going to use?

I think your choice of screen will help decide which model speakers to select.

Both are spectacular, you don't need the 1238 in regards to your room size, both speakers will easily cope with your room. The 1238's are much bigger so if you are using a perforated projection screen you can use either model, if you are going to use a 2.40:1 screen, the positioning of your LR speakers might be challenging so the smaller speaker may make your life easier.

I think the 8260's due to their size will be the easier to integrate.
digipete, modified 8 Years ago.

Re: Genelec 8260a vs 1038b

Padawan Posts: 99 Join Date: 6/18/11 Recent Posts
Hi Pop, I went with your:

2. 8260 (L,C,R) + 8250 (Sur) + 7271A (sub)


As the imaging, low extension and size is just unbeatable.
I run stereo without the 7271 sub as the 8260's are more then capable down below 20hz in a room that size.
I have all monitors on wall mount, that works like a charm.

I would only change one thing - I would replace the 7271 with two 7270A's, one in each front corner.
That better loads the room, makes placement easier and makes the subs much more efficient.
The only drawback is that your setup need to be symmetrical, but I assume that is a given for somebody as serious as you.

Good luck
popdv, modified 8 Years ago.

Re: Genelec 8260a vs 1038b

Padawan Posts: 32 Join Date: 6/26/11 Recent Posts
Thank you for answers DigiPete, 1038, Maximilian!
I allready listened pair of 1238+7271 in pro studio. Like it. Hope will go to the shop and try test 8260 but it will in not acoustic prepared room, so the test will be not one by one.
about screen: size not yet choosed, but I think it will be perforated projection screen (if you have any recomendation for the screen please follow. Projector JVC DLA-X75R). First I had idea to install both TV above 65" (for day light) and screen fo movie in dark room but now not sure about TV.
Yes the 1238 is bigger but a litle bit thinker (HxWxD 610x470x235 mm and for 8260= 593x357x347 mm) so in the case of small room size each 10cm is important I think if we will install it behind the screen.
If I will choose 8260 and Not perforated screen what about Center channel placement? Bottom or upper of the screen?
DigiPete
As about two 7270 is really easer to set up (of caurse it will be simmetrical instalation in dedicated home cinema room)? Should the subs placed under the main L and R channels? Do you have succesful instaltion with two 7270?
1038, modified 8 Years ago.

Re: Genelec 8260a vs 1038b

Jedi Master Posts: 340 Join Date: 4/6/09 Recent Posts
Hi Pop,

you really need to make a decision on your screen first, due to your compact room dimensions the screen is really going to dominate the front wall and want the same real estate as the mains. I would strongly recommend a perf screen i use Stewart Filmscreens exclusively, and i would be suggesting a size of around 92" - 100" 16:9. This size screen will allow you to have enough space either side of the screen for your L&R speakers with your centre channel behind the screen, you will want about a 200-300mm space between the speaker baffle and the rear of the screen surface.

To be honest i've never agreed with the logic of using both a TV (LCD-Plasma) and a projection system. The costs involved in motorising one or the other is high and with the cost of lamps being as reasonable as they are i would simply use the projector all the time, you will probably have TV's in other rooms for watching the news ect.

Re the subs, this is the only area i would disagree with Pete, in my experience and with basically all the studios we calibrate and all the home theatres i have designed, we specify 1 sub, and the 7071 would be my strong recommendation.

One other consideration is the fact that the 1238's can be used horizontally, so you could keep the HF/MF driver outside the screen frame and the twin 8's behind the screen, it just gives you a few extra options in fine tuning the final speaker location within the room.
digipete, modified 8 Years ago.

Re: Genelec 8260a vs 1038b

Padawan Posts: 99 Join Date: 6/18/11 Recent Posts
. . .
DigiPete
As about two 7270 is really easer to set up (of caurse it will be simmetrical instalation in dedicated home cinema room)? Should the subs placed under the main L and R channels? Do you have succesful instaltion with two 7270?


I got the chance to do a series of auditions of the Steinway Lyngdorf S Series.
It was two stereo setups with the subs placed in the corners and DSP room compensation (Lyngdorf RoomPerfect)
I am quite convinced that the dual sub setup is quite optimal given the DSP.
http://www.steinwaylyngdorf.com/showcas ... d-discrete

The subs should be placed right in the corner to benefit from the room amplification.
http://www.steinwaylyngdorf.com/technol ... ary-woofer

Side note: The Genelec 82XX series provides way more bang for the buck than the SL solution.

So far my rig uses the 7271A, as seen below.
popdv, modified 4 Years ago.

Re: Genelec 8260a vs 1038b

Padawan Posts: 32 Join Date: 6/26/11 Recent Posts
1038
I visited Stewart web site and already talk with our local Stewart distributor. So it's seems to me that I will take Stewart perf FireHawk G3 and 92" will maximum that I can feet between two L,R speakers without their covering by screen.
When you are talking
about a 200-300mm space between the speaker baffle and the rear of the screen surface
you mean I need it for visually separate picture on the screen?
I visited local store on this weekend and try to listen 8260. unfortunately the room in the shop not good prepared for such great monitors. So I can't hear what is it. But had a chance to talk with studio pro man and he invite to one of pro studio to listen 8260. So will see and hear
For now I still with 1238 for main channels. The only that I can tell about 8260 for now it's that they are big for depth comparing 1238. So the dilemma between 1238 and 8260 is about size and design of interior. Will write later about final decision after listening 8260 in studio.
By the way see pictures with 1238 from pro studio
DigiPete
As I see you have Weiss AFI-1. How you can compare it to Lynx Studio AES16e?
Your AV source is HTPC only?
I thinking how to connect both HTPC and SAT receiver: so need to switcher/converter to AES/EBU from HDMI or optic SPDIF, volume control. As about AV processors: Only top of them have multi AES/EBU in/out as Datasat ap20, rs20i, but the price is above $20k, that too much for switcher and volume control. Any alternatives?
1038, modified 8 Years ago.

Re: Genelec 8260a vs 1038b

Jedi Master Posts: 340 Join Date: 4/6/09 Recent Posts
Hi Pop,

It looks like your plans are progressing well.

When installing a speaker behind a micro perf screen, you need at least 200mm between the face of the speaker and the rear surface of the screen.

In regards to your final speaker choice remember that although the 1238 is shallower than the 8260, the cables protrude from the rear of the speaker and as the speaker is wider when you rotate your L & R speakers to be on axis with the main seating position their overall depth will increase very quickly. A CAD program is a very simple way for you to calculate these dimensions.

What is the ambient light condition in your room when you will be watching movies, what will the walls be covered in? The FireHawk is a higher gain version of the GreyHawk, unless i'm going to have to deal with alot of ambient light i recommend the GreyHawk RS. If you intend 3D, then screen gain is very important as the light output from your projector is diminished by almost 80%!!
popdv, modified 8 Years ago.

Re: Genelec 8260a vs 1038b

Padawan Posts: 32 Join Date: 6/26/11 Recent Posts
come back from studio after listening 8260. :( Very nice monitors (may be the best) but for work. Don't like listen music on them. Even that I'm a fan of genelec and clear sound. Absolutely detailed you can hear that before you can't. One more time - fantastic instrument and vocal separation and acoustic panorama. The composition that I like listen on 8030, 1238 (in previews studio) on 8260 I don't like: Now I can hear in what studio conditions, what compressor, expanders and others plug-in use sound producer and hear every mistake that he did. Starting listen Sting recorded in very famous studio - voice is degraded. That was through that told me couples day ago pro man that sending to listen 8260 "for work they are great but not for music listening". So it's IMHO, but it's my test - you understand, hope so. The problem is sound recording quality, but there are few that's great
May be I need one more time go and listen 1238 and compare with 8260. Will see
About projector+screen. I found 90" TV Sharp LC90LE745U. It's almost the same size like screen (92-94") that I can put in this small room). It's using local dimming system. The contrast are much more better and after calibration it should be very nice. And because of light walls and ceiling it can be important, I think.
to be continued ...
1038, modified 8 Years ago.

Re: Genelec 8260a vs 1038b

Jedi Master Posts: 340 Join Date: 4/6/09 Recent Posts
Just remember that if you go for a flat panel screen, you will have little option for centre channel placement.

If you do decide to go for a LCD i would recommend that you don't install a centre channel...

Good luck with the journey...

Just as a note i find the 8260's excellent for listening to music, yes they are highly revealing, but when the recording is great the rewards are outstanding. Now that you have heard the production flaws in the recording, i'm sure you will be able to hear them on most systems...
thesky555, modified 6 Years ago.

Re: Genelec 8260a vs 1038b

Padawan Posts: 48 Join Date: 1/26/15 Recent Posts
Virtually all the installs that i consult on, i place the speakers close to the wall behind them and get them up... as high as possible from the floor, all the required reading about speaker setup is available on Genelec's web site.

Hi Steve,
I have a pair of 8040As that I might soon upgrade to a pair of 8351As. Do I understand you correctly if I hear you say that I should wall mount them rather than place them on top of two subwoofers close to the wall -- as if they were floorstanding speakers?

I would love to hear your thoughts on the audio benefits of each way of mounting them. Also, which of the Genelec wall mount brackets would have your strongest recommendation for my setup?

Thanks
1038, modified 6 Years ago.

Re: Genelec 8260a vs 1038b

Jedi Master Posts: 340 Join Date: 4/6/09 Recent Posts
Hi,

the speakers don't necessarily need to be wall mounted, the key objective is getting the speakers away from the floor. If you download Genelec's monitoring setup guides, you will see that 1.2m-1.4m is specified as optimal distance from the floor. As Genelec speakers are rather heavy, a lot of installs use either shelves or wall mounts, as speaker stands can be unstable at those heights.

The 8000-402 is a stunning bracket, very solid and offering adjustability.