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Surround digital (AES) feed for DSP speakers?

milofix, modified 9 Years ago.

Surround digital (AES) feed for DSP speakers?

Youngling Posts: 13 Join Date: 6/10/12 Recent Posts
I've found the dsp model 8260 to be so good that I soon must buy a pair. I have been a audiophile for several decades and finally I have found gears again that I really would like to own.
In the long term and in my dream when I have at least 3 pcs 8260 and lets say 2pcs 8250 and one 7271.

What equipment do I need to be able to feed all channels digitally (AES/EBU) in a surround system?
Ok I know it is possible by running analog but I would prefer to run it directly digital (without the extra conversions).
Help me to mention some samples of this please.

Best regards Mattias
milofix, modified 9 Years ago.

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Youngling Posts: 13 Join Date: 6/10/12 Recent Posts
Thank you Las Vegas!
Two options so far. Feel free to add more if there are more possibilities.

Tact is that a option? I mean is the mark up and running? The website seems to be a bit off..
Tact nowadays is that Lyngdorf? Steinwaylyngdorf?

Meridian seems to have 3 pres to offer (checked quickly). The output is speakerlink and as I understand it should be technical possible to fix a adapter speakerlink to aes/ebu. I think it is a pity that Medidian doesnt offer aes/ebu digital outputs as an option. But I understand it also. They think we should use Meridian speakers but that will never happen for me, cause I dont like the sound!
I didnt search much on the net but, have anyone have got it up and working a meridian pre speakerlink to aes/ebu to feed Genelec dsp speakers?

Br Mattias
las-vegas, modified 9 Years ago.

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Youngling Posts: 23 Join Date: 12/25/11 Recent Posts
Speakerlink is AES/EBU, it is not proprietary. In addition it carries Meridian comms. I can give you the pinout for AES/EBU.

However, it is still necessary to control volume through GLM if you go this route as Meridian processors DO NOT control volume through the digital outputs.

Tact is still up and running and their TCS MKIII processor has AES/EBU outputs on all channels. Unfortunately you're paying for their Room Correction Software which you don't need and which is not as good as GLM.

Here's another link for TacT. https://www.tactlab.com/tact_webshop/index.php
1038, modified 9 Years ago.

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Jedi Master Posts: 340 Join Date: 4/6/09 Recent Posts
I found this new product a while back, it looks very interesting..

http://www.datasatdigital.com/consumer/products/rs20i.php
milofix, modified 9 Years ago.

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Youngling Posts: 13 Join Date: 6/10/12 Recent Posts
Thanks Las Vegas for info.

1038 that seems to be a very interesting product... :D
digipete, modified 9 Years ago.

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Padawan Posts: 99 Join Date: 6/18/11 Recent Posts
Weiss AFI1 does a beautiful job on your dream setup in my living room.

Many other internal and external pro sound cards offer multi channel AES/EBU, and that is all you need.
Examples:

Lynx AES16
Lynx Aurora 8
RME Fireface UFX
Apogee Symphony I/O

And many more . . .

Lynx AES16 is a low cost internal card of good reputation that will do the trick.
The Apogee Symphony I/O is the coolest machine ever, and very versatile and expensive.
I way prefer the Weiss AFI1 if you only need AES/EBU

Pick your poison and good luck
milofix, modified 9 Years ago.

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Youngling Posts: 13 Join Date: 6/10/12 Recent Posts
Thanks DigiPete for more products to check out.

Br Milofix
aboekhoudt, modified 9 Years ago.

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Youngling Posts: 3 Join Date: 9/9/12 Recent Posts
Guys,
The 8260A's are really hitting the non-professional market I guess.
No need for expensive DACS, Amps or Pre-Amps. It also killes expenseibe DAC streamers of Linn and Naim etc.
The simple hardware to connect digitally to the 8260's digital ports is Sonos because of the digital volume control.
On my second upgraded sonos after a Cullen Mod. Alternative to Sonos is Weiss MAN301. Pretty expensive.
Most NAS's have streaming capability these days, so how difficult would it be to do a CAT5 streaming into the Genelecs as opposed to the AES and provide some open source plugin for QNAP, Netgear and probably a handful of other NAS's to cut all the middleware including the Sonos and other stuff.
Power to the digital active speakers I would say.
Absent that, has anybody had any luck digitally controlling the volume of the Genelec 8260A's speakers with hardware or software other that the alternatives mentioned above. And is there an integrated approch in a dacless all-digital pre-amp that is controllable via iPAD or MAC/PC?
Regards
digipete, modified 9 Years ago.

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Padawan Posts: 99 Join Date: 6/18/11 Recent Posts
"And is there an integrated approch in a dac-less all-digital pre-amp that is controllable via iPAD or MAC/PC? "

I'm controlling my surround rig through the PC/GLM network as recommended.

MacBook Pro runs:
Stereo Player: iTunes with Pure Music / Audirvana+
Surround Player: Decibel
GLM software

A large aluminum volume knob is attached via USB (Griffin PowerMate).
It gives good nice feel and precise volume control.


aboekhoudt, modified 9 Years ago.

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Youngling Posts: 3 Join Date: 9/9/12 Recent Posts
:D
Now that looks nice.
Can this also be done from a NAS I have no idea how this works.....
ilkka-rissanen, modified 9 Years ago.

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Yoda Posts: 2564 Join Date: 3/23/09 Recent Posts
Hi,

Please take a look at Meridian's products, for example Reference Audio Core 818 and Reference Surround Controller 861. They will offer a wide range of digital connections for complex system configurations. Meridian's products also provide NAS, multi-room and wireless control through their own application.
1038, modified 9 Years ago.

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Jedi Master Posts: 340 Join Date: 4/6/09 Recent Posts
I had a chat to the Datasat people over the weekend at a Hi-Fi show in Sydney. It is a very impressive product! I only had about 10 minutes with them and i didn't get a chance to get my hands on the unit as they were busy with structured demo's, but from the brief conversation, the product looks rock solid with great support.

It will provide full volume control of the surround sound AES/EBU channels..

It looks like the perfect multi-channel processor for any Genelec 8200 series owners.
john-doe82-gmail-com, modified 9 Years ago.

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Youngling Posts: 4 Join Date: 7/13/10 Recent Posts
Hello!

I´m thinking of going all 5.1 digital with my macbook as the source trough a usb/firewire sound card directly to Genelec dsp speakers.

I use Plex media center at the moment to play my music and movies, my problem is that Plex can´t (to the best of my knowledge) decode dts or dolby digital. Does anyone know if there i some sort of media player/center that can do this?
I would also like to be able to play dts hd and the other new hd-audio formats.
digipete, modified 9 Years ago.

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Padawan Posts: 99 Join Date: 6/18/11 Recent Posts
Hello!

I´m thinking of going all 5.1 digital with my macbook as the source trough a usb/firewire sound card directly to Genelec dsp speakers.

I use Plex media center at the moment to play my music and movies, my problem is that Plex can´t (to the best of my knowledge) decode dts or dolby digital. Does anyone know if there i some sort of media player/center that can do this?
I would also like to be able to play dts hd and the other new hd-audio formats.


Well, VLC is my standard go to in these situations - most often works pretty well.

I supplement with Mac Blu-Ray Player for playing Blu-Ray disks through Mac and external drive.

You can also rip and decode DVD's or Blu-Ray's (on windows so far), see great explanation on:
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/473-ripping-blu-ray-easy-way/
mikelrobert, modified 8 Years ago.

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Youngling Posts: 1 Join Date: 2/7/13 Recent Posts
It is still necessary to control volume through GLM if you go this route as Meridian processors DO NOT control volume through the digital outputs.
aboekhoudt, modified 7 Years ago.

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Youngling Posts: 3 Join Date: 9/9/12 Recent Posts
Guys,
Since a couple of months I am using a second-hand Logitech transporter with the G8620's and I must say it sounds better than the MAN301 I tried and tested and far and far better than the Sonos Cullen Mod I've used for some time. Most importantly, digital Volume control (the transporter samples up), play control and digital output over AES all easy and integrated over the iPhone/Pad. Why did Logitech ever stop producing these wonderful machines?
Andre
thesky555, modified 6 Years ago.

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Padawan Posts: 48 Join Date: 1/26/15 Recent Posts
Hey aboekhoudt,

It sounds like the Logitech Transporter is just what I’ve been looking for in vain for months!

Just to be absolutely sure I've understood what you say. Will the Logitech Transporter use wifi to wirelessly receive all audio signals from my PC? (Google Crome Internet browser and J.River Media Center for example.)

Will it act as a lossless all-digital volume control and then output a digital signal in AES/EBU?

I can see on the internet that it has AES/EBU sockets, but I can’t find out if they’re only input, or if the same sockets can also be used as digital output.

And are you still happy with the sound quality?

Thanks
thesky555, modified 6 Years ago.

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Padawan Posts: 48 Join Date: 1/26/15 Recent Posts
I’ve searched high and low for a product that would provide me with a wireless connection between my laptop and my Genelec’s AES/EBU input. Still, I’m hesitant to buy a 10-year old discontinued product. Amazing, if it really is the only one out there. :o

Perhaps, I’ll have more success finding what I desire if I start looking specifically for true media centers that have wireless bridging as a minor additional option. Using the Logitech Transporter as a Wireless Bridge is not its primary function but I did find this buried deep in the online manual:

Using Transporter as a Wireless Bridge
Transporter has both 802.11g and ethernet connections. You can easily connect non-wireless devices (such as a TiVo, PlayStation, XBox, or a home theatre PC) to your wireless network. To set up Transporter as a wireless bridge:
1. Plug the device that you want to connect to your wireless network into the ethernet port on the back of Transporter using an ethernet crossover cable. You can purchase a crossover cable at most retail computer stores.
2. Press and hold the LEFT arrow on the remote for fi ve seconds to enter the Transporter setup screens.
3. Press UP to scroll to the Set Up Networking selection and press RIGHT.
4. Go through the network setup screens, choosing to connect to a wireless network and then select your region.
5. You are presented with the option to turn on wireless bridging. Select Yes and then press RIGHT.
6. Continue pressing RIGHT to fi nish setting up your wireless connection. At the end, your Transporter will be acting as a wireless bridge.