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6010A + 5040A vs. 8020B (Also: 5051A & 5050A?)

turnstyle, modified 9 Years ago.

6010A + 5040A vs. 8020B (Also: 5051A & 5050A?)

Youngling Posts: 4 Join Date: 7/3/12 Recent Posts
Hi all,

Just wondering how you'd compare a pair of 6010A's with a 5040A vs. a pair of 8020B (since the price out about the same).

Also, is there a reason the 5051A and 5050A aren't on the main Genelec site?

Thanks!
ilkka-rissanen, modified 9 Years ago.

Re: 6010A + 5040A vs. 8020B (Also: 5051A & 5050A?)

Yoda Posts: 2564 Join Date: 3/23/09 Recent Posts
Hi,

6010A & 5040A will give you much wider bandwidth, meaning you will hear all frequencies between ~35 Hz and 20 kHz. With 8020B the low end will be much more limited so you will hear less bass. The midrange of the 8020B will be little bit more accurate than with 6010A. What kind of setup do you have on mind? Is it for computer, tv, home theatre or?

5050A and 5051A belong to our home theatre range subwoofers so they are listed on the custom install site.
turnstyle, modified 9 Years ago.

Re: 6010A + 5040A vs. 8020B (Also: 5051A & 5050A?)

Youngling Posts: 4 Join Date: 7/3/12 Recent Posts
What kind of setup do you have on mind? Is it for computer, tv, home theatre or?


Hi, thanks -- it's for a digital stage piano.

Also, fwiw, I'm more interesting in something that "sounds fun" rather than "clinical," so to speak.

What do you advise? Thanks again...
ilkka-rissanen, modified 9 Years ago.

Re: 6010A + 5040A vs. 8020B (Also: 5051A & 5050A?)

Yoda Posts: 2564 Join Date: 3/23/09 Recent Posts
Digital piano requires more dynamic headroom than low end. Therefore I would recommend 8020B or even 8030A if you need to play loud and/or fill a large space.
turnstyle, modified 9 Years ago.

Re: 6010A + 5040A vs. 8020B (Also: 5051A & 5050A?)

Youngling Posts: 4 Join Date: 7/3/12 Recent Posts
Digital piano requires more dynamic headroom than low end. Therefore I would recommend 8020B or even 8030A if you need to play loud and/or fill a large space.


Thank you.

I don't actually need to play loud, nor fill a large space.

This is for home use/practice/enjoyment -- the room itself is roughly 9' (h) x 12' (w) x 22' (l) -- but I won't generally need to "fill the room" -- rather, the main objective is that it should sound enjoyable when sitting there playing. There may be some occasions in which it would be nice to fill out the room, but that's not the main goal.

Does that impact your advice? Thanks again...
ilkka-rissanen, modified 9 Years ago.

Re: 6010A + 5040A vs. 8020B (Also: 5051A & 5050A?)

Yoda Posts: 2564 Join Date: 3/23/09 Recent Posts
I would still advice getting 8020B. :)
turnstyle, modified 9 Years ago.

Re: 6010A + 5040A vs. 8020B (Also: 5051A & 5050A?)

Youngling Posts: 4 Join Date: 7/3/12 Recent Posts
I would still advice getting 8020B. :)


Thank you, just to be sure I'm 100% following you -- you would recommend a pair of 8020B's (*without a subwoofer*) rather than a pair of 6010A's with the 5040A subwoofer -- is that all correct?
ilkka-rissanen, modified 9 Years ago.

Re: 6010A + 5040A vs. 8020B (Also: 5051A & 5050A?)

Yoda Posts: 2564 Join Date: 3/23/09 Recent Posts
Yes, that is correct! :)
overhere, modified 5 Years ago.

Re: 6010A + 5040A vs. 8020B (Also: 5051A & 5050A?)

Padawan Posts: 60 Join Date: 9/7/09 Recent Posts
Sorry for bringing up an old thread but I am looking for benefits for upgrading my 6010's to G Two's. Can I ask why you prefer the 8020 without sub rather than 6010 with sub?

How big is the difference between the speakers when it comes to pure audio?
ilkka-rissanen, modified 5 Years ago.

Re: 6010A + 5040A vs. 8020B (Also: 5051A & 5050A?)

Yoda Posts: 2564 Join Date: 3/23/09 Recent Posts
Sorry for bringing up an old thread but I am looking for benefits for upgrading my 6010's to G Two's. Can I ask why you prefer the 8020 without sub rather than 6010 with sub?

How big is the difference between the speakers when it comes to pure audio?

Because digital piano requires more midrange than low end. A subwoofer does not bring that much help there.

"How big" is a very difficult question. How do you quantify audio quality or difference? For some people same difference may be barely noticeable while for some people enough to justify a larger speaker. It's always best to listen to yourself. :)
overhere, modified 5 Years ago.

Re: 6010A + 5040A vs. 8020B (Also: 5051A & 5050A?)

Padawan Posts: 60 Join Date: 9/7/09 Recent Posts
To be honest, I missed that post. I know audio is highly individual. Unfortunately where I live there is no retailer left selling Genelec. Used to have one though, but I never demoed the 8020's, just the 8030 and 6010 with 5040. I bought the 8030's so I know how well they sound compared to my 6010's. I just want something closer to the 8030's without a huge difference in physical size. Perhaps I should just grab a pair and hope they're close enough :)
ilkka-rissanen, modified 5 Years ago.

Re: 6010A + 5040A vs. 8020B (Also: 5051A & 5050A?)

Yoda Posts: 2564 Join Date: 3/23/09 Recent Posts
Our products line up pretty linearly in both size and audio quality. So 8020 is right in between the 6010 and 8030. If you want 8030 sound, you need to get 8030, there is no way around it. :)
overhere, modified 5 Years ago.

Re: 6010A + 5040A vs. 8020B (Also: 5051A & 5050A?)

Padawan Posts: 60 Join Date: 9/7/09 Recent Posts
Our products line up pretty linearly in both size and audio quality. So 8020 is right in between the 6010 and 8030. If you want 8030 sound, you need to get 8030, there is no way around it. :)


But the 8020 is closer to the 8030 than the 6010, so I can just get the 8020 and be happy. Is the 5040 enough to work well with the 8020?

Which would you prefer Ilkka 6010 with 5040 or 8020 (G Two) with 5040?
ilkka-rissanen, modified 5 Years ago.

Re: 6010A + 5040A vs. 8020B (Also: 5051A & 5050A?)

Yoda Posts: 2564 Join Date: 3/23/09 Recent Posts
Our products line up pretty linearly in both size and audio quality. So 8020 is right in between the 6010 and 8030. If you want 8030 sound, you need to get 8030, there is no way around it. :)


But the 8020 is closer to the 8030 than the 6010, so I can just get the 8020 and be happy. Is the 5040 enough to work well with the 8020?

Which would you prefer Ilkka 6010 with 5040 or 8020 (G Two) with 5040?

5040 works well with the 8020 or G Two. With 8020 you just need to attenuate the speakers by 10 dB due to different input sensitivity.

Obviously I would choose the larger speaker with the subwoofer. :)
overhere, modified 5 Years ago.

Re: 6010A + 5040A vs. 8020B (Also: 5051A & 5050A?)

Padawan Posts: 60 Join Date: 9/7/09 Recent Posts
Our products line up pretty linearly in both size and audio quality. So 8020 is right in between the 6010 and 8030. If you want 8030 sound, you need to get 8030, there is no way around it. :)


But the 8020 is closer to the 8030 than the 6010, so I can just get the 8020 and be happy. Is the 5040 enough to work well with the 8020?

Which would you prefer Ilkka 6010 with 5040 or 8020 (G Two) with 5040?

5040 works well with the 8020 or G Two. With 8020 you just need to attenuate the speakers by 10 dB due to different input sensitivity.

Obviously I would choose the larger speaker with the subwoofer. :)


Great, I'll get those as soon as I can then :) One last thing, how do you attenuate them by 10dB?
ilkka-rissanen, modified 5 Years ago.

Re: 6010A + 5040A vs. 8020B (Also: 5051A & 5050A?)

Yoda Posts: 2564 Join Date: 3/23/09 Recent Posts

Great, I'll get those as soon as I can then :) One last thing, how do you attenuate them by 10dB?

http://www.genelec.com/sites/default/fi ... m5040a.pdf

Page 2, "Setting the subwoofer level" :)
overhere, modified 5 Years ago.

Re: 6010A + 5040A vs. 8020B (Also: 5051A & 5050A?)

Padawan Posts: 60 Join Date: 9/7/09 Recent Posts

Great, I'll get those as soon as I can then :) One last thing, how do you attenuate them by 10dB?

http://www.genelec.com/sites/default/fi ... m5040a.pdf

Page 2, "Setting the subwoofer level" :)


Thanks Illka :)
jocking, modified 5 Years ago.

Re: 6010A + 5040A vs. 8020B (Also: 5051A & 5050A?)

Youngling Posts: 3 Join Date: 1/23/16 Recent Posts
I also wonder why is the Genelec 5050a not listed anywhere on Genelecs website?

I'm planning to buy the 5050a, will it work good with the 8030:s or do you recommend some other subwoofer for this setup?

BR,
Jocking
ilkka-rissanen, modified 5 Years ago.

Re: 6010A + 5040A vs. 8020B (Also: 5051A & 5050A?)

Yoda Posts: 2564 Join Date: 3/23/09 Recent Posts
Hi,

5050A is already a discontinued model, but some dealers may still have stock. It will work well with the 8020 or 8030. 7050B and F Two offer similar performance from our current line up.
jocking, modified 5 Years ago.

Re: 6010A + 5040A vs. 8020B (Also: 5051A & 5050A?)

Youngling Posts: 3 Join Date: 1/23/16 Recent Posts
Thanks for your answer! Also, will it work as good for music listening as for home cinema?

BR,
Jocking
ilkka-rissanen, modified 5 Years ago.

Re: 6010A + 5040A vs. 8020B (Also: 5051A & 5050A?)

Yoda Posts: 2564 Join Date: 3/23/09 Recent Posts
Yes, it will work well for both purposes. :)
jocking, modified 5 Years ago.

Re: 6010A + 5040A vs. 8020B (Also: 5051A & 5050A?)

Youngling Posts: 3 Join Date: 1/23/16 Recent Posts
Thank you, I have one more question for now. Sorry if this is the wrong thread.

Should I use the Bass roll of on my 8030:s when connected to the 5050a?

BR,
Jocking
ilkka-rissanen, modified 5 Years ago.

Re: 6010A + 5040A vs. 8020B (Also: 5051A & 5050A?)

Yoda Posts: 2564 Join Date: 3/23/09 Recent Posts
Thank you, I have one more question for now. Sorry if this is the wrong thread.

Should I use the Bass roll of on my 8030:s when connected to the 5050a?

BR,
Jocking

No, 5050A has a bass management function so it will handle the roll-off. Just remember to route the signal through the subwoofer's inputs/outputs to the speakers.